How cultural differences become grounds for distrust, projection of fear

Analysis of themes in Caves of Steel

Group work:

each group picks 2 themes

for each theme, find 3 passages that 1) are significant for that theme; 2) are rich in meaning and/or metaphorical; and 3) that show some development of the theme or progression/shift in the way it appears during the course of the book

Group 1: Ori, Martin, Chris, Sasha, Jonathan

1. Human-spacer relations — p. 118
2. Conformity vs. individualism

Group 2: Tristan, Michael R., Jenny, Pedro, Raymond

1. Colonization / survival of humankind – p.0124
2. Fall of Society
3. Tolerance

Group 3: Sergiy, Mohommad, Danielle, Yingwen

1. Human/robot tensions
2. biblical references
3. issue of power

Group 4: Rev, Jonathan, Carlos, Daiane, Jamal

1. human-spacer relations
2. attitudes towards emigration

The analysis of a specific important passage:

“The destruction of what you people call evil, is less just and desirable than the conversion of this evil into what you call good”

At the end of the book, R. Dannel states the above sentence. As a robot, it obviously can not understand religion and ethics, however, with that statement, and through logic, R. Dannel seems to reach the knowledge behind what we call forgiveness. The robot improve greatly on doing so not because it is able to feel mercy or any other human abstraction but it does because it is able to emend one of its features (that is also one of its limitation) which is the procedural intake of information literally. By open up to the possibility of reevaluating evil for good, the robot is no longer stuck with the logic of literals; it has evolve to understand and designate different (possibly multiple) meanings/values.

A possible analysis of the title of the book  “Caves of Steel” indicate the benefits of this era when the influence of humans and robots over each other lead to evolution and expansion of those two cultures over the universe. The world “cave” sign to some sort of primitive stage. The world “steel” which is in fact the combination of Carbon and Iron represents the mix of humans and robots. This combination is also represented by the partnership established between Elijah (human) and R. Dannel (robot).

The fact that machines can help humans perform numerous tasks that otherwise would be impossible to us and the fact that this certain robot’s culture dictated by logic and efficiency would most likely help us to evolve to live in other world is pretty much untestable. What is interesting about the passage selected is that this experience of “Caves of Steel,” named the coexistence of humans and robots ends up being a symbiotic process. The robot also evolved. Another significant passage reads: “… and only Earth, past redemption” alluding to the time when medievalists were forgiven and their sin and conviction was turned into something useful, and they were used to disseminate the idea of colonizing other worlds. “Earth past redemption” also marks the idea that humans and robots forgive their differences and evolve together.

            Ori Dona                                                                                                         2-2-14

            English- Science Fiction                     

The Caves of Steel Comparison Summary

In the New York city of Caves Of Steel, there is a drastic difference from the city we live in today. This is mostly due to the ideological differences between our world and the world of Elijah Bailey. In today’s world we value the individual and respect artistic and distinguishable expressions whether it be in the form of architecture or art. In Asimov’s depiction of future society, there is this notion of collectivism and conformity. It is very apparent in the depiction of the future New York City because all the buildings are one unit. Architecture no longer exists as an art form and the people living in the city have restrictive freedom. They are forced to eat a certain food at a certain time in a certain place.

Everyone has a classification ID which gives them certain privileges throughout the city. Even in the form of transportation there is this collectivist ideology because the people in Caves Of Steel only have two methods of transportation, either moving sidewalk platforms or to the very privileged the option of flying in ships. In today’s New York City we value nature all of its process as opposed to Asimov’s depiction of these huge superdome structures completely closed off from the surface of the world where nature really flourishes. There is also the big difference in terms of robots being active and integrated in everyday life even replacing humans in terms of employment. But what really stands out about Asimov’s view of the future is the idea that humans have colonized space and have 50 home worlds.

This is a powerful concept because planet Earth is devalued and is not as significant as it is to us. This is due to the superiority of the spacer worlds and the state in which Asimov’s earth has been reduced to. Over all Asimov’s world is very different from the world we are experiencing today but some current trends are heading in that direction.

READING RESPONSE 2                                                                                                         2-11-13

After reading the “Caves of Steel”, there were many moments in which I felt were very powerful. The one moment that I found was very revealing was in chapter 9, “Education by a spacer”. Elijah has a deep conversation with the spacer doctor, Fastolfe. The reason I find their exchange fascinating was because that was the first time in the novel where we get insight on the spacers mentality and their approach to humans. The doctor explains why the spacers discriminate against humans. he states “The medical examination you went through, as well as the cleansing procedures, were not matters of ritual. They were dictated by necessity”. This to me showed the divide between civilizations and that even though spacers share a common origin with humans, they differ in the sense that they have implemented such radical changes in their biology that they no longer can be considered humans. For one thing their whole civilization had a different origin in the sense that gradual evolution did not occur. The doctors home planet of aurora came to be through colonization. Therefore there is an immediate separation between Elijah and the Earthers and Dr.Fastolfe and the spacers. They do not understand the people of earth and why they choose to live there despite of all the troubles. They see colonization as a logical plan and insist that the people of Earth simply find a new home world. Before this conversation had took place, the reader was unaware as to why the spacers act the way they do and more importantly, what they think of the Earthmen. The issue of disease exposes a flaw in the godlike spacers and they do very well in hiding that. They reveal a very human side to them, weakness. One their world, the individual is respected and held to a very high regard because the duration of their life is so long where as on Earth people have average lifespans and live average and fast lives. Dr. Fastolfe explains that they want to save the humans and that their life is worth saving which goes back to their sense of ancestry. Their attachment to Earthmen is very complex.

When i first started reading caves of steel I figured this was going to be a book about people living in giant steel caves in the future after a horrible catastrophe happen. Lucky after read the first few pages I realized this wasn’t a post-apocalyptic story rather one of an uncertain future where society has been divided by technology. The Caves of Steel the title refers too are the mega cities formed in the future. Every city had been optimize and connected in a way that made each city it own self-sufficient unit. I found the description Asimov writes of the city to be something industrialist of the early 20th century would see as the future of the cities. Being huge, giant and and never having to leave were things that many people think of when the think of cities.

The funny thing is as you read on a lot of the problems we have today we will most likely still have in the future. A lot of these problems also have to deal with human nature. The fear of disease, the boredom of eating the same food and the inability to connect with machines or even other humans is something people have to deal with in their everyday lives.

Around the Question of Differences between CoS and Our Own World

An interesting difference between the humanity actual state in the Earth and this other fictional stage depicted in CoS is the distinction between the systems of remuneration and reward. Today, most humans live out of the salary while in CoS they have a sort of status system that guarantee certain privileges according to their ranks. On chapter nine there is a critique to the economy based on money. The time humanity used that system is considered barbarous; the “fight-for-the-buck” is seen as savage competition. Indeed, in CoS, overcoming the individualism and materialism of this era was the great evolutionary step they took. Nevertheless, the book shows how much of their privacy and free will that cost. Detective Baley, numerous time through the story, do his job only for fear that he and his family could lose their privileges.

What make this difference interesting is that truly their economy system is not so different than what we have now. Besides the fact that we use currencies to acquire things and services, we are very often working against our will just to guarantee special access, special food, special privileges in general, for us and for our families. We are trapped by our consumption habits. In the same way, we depend on and perpetuate the city’s structure because we believe that doing so we are reaching a better existence.

Another remarkable discrepancy that also cares some seeds of truth for us is the fact that we don’t hate robots. In fact, we don’t even have that sort of technology available in the market for everyone. However, considering the technology that we do have, there is a layer of the population that do behave like the medievalist from CoS. I think that is safe to say that most people born in or before the 80’s have great difficult assimilation technological advances. Like the medievalists, they have this sort of nostalgia, they resent this period in which technology is so predominant and they refuse to evolve with it.

Throughout reading the novel the part that stood out to me was the scene where R. Daneel and Baley was in the store. The reason I chose this particular scene was because it was a prime explain of when you don’t have knowledge about a particular situation. Although Oliviaw intentions were pure good he wasn’t fully aware how the humans viewed his kind. The humans hated robots just as the spacers were disgusted due to the diseases and other sickness humans could obtain. This moment just shows how much the two (humans and spacers) know a little about each other but are still very judgmental of the other. I think this was a great opportunity for R.Daneel to see first had the danger of the situation he was in. This scene is not only something that takes place in the novel but also this that happen in our world. We also tend to be very bias and judgmental without fully knowing the other source.

After reading this story the Cave of Steel I found the three Laws of robotics that Asimov created as he write throughout the story were very interesting. I like the series when  Baley asks. “Why can’t a robot be built without the First Law?”  “What’s so sacred about it?”. the first law is that the robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm,and  Dr. Gerrigel explains the several reasons why this would be extremely difficult and unlikely. I been always thinking what will happen if alien really exceed in this world and if is possible can robot do all the work/homework for me but after reading this I think in a different perspective that if we have robot will they turn out in a way that we unexpected which mean they can be smarter than human and will harm us in different ways. i’m still curious/imagine what will happen differently if they invented the robot without the first law of robotic and will the robot take over all human space or maybe even eat the humans?

One moment that is very interesting was the shoe store incident.  This incident is great evidence displaying R. Daneel’s short sightedness and inability to see the larger picture even while he believes he has already thought of the outcome and what he will do.  There is a giant mob currently located outside the door of the store waiting to store in and cause trouble.  R. Daneel forces the manager to open the doors.  In this instant Baley is trying to stop a massive riot from occurring while R. Daneel is focused only on the logic of the situation.  The logic here being that these robot clerks are registered and since that is so the people must be served by them.  Baley is unable to explain the situation of a human’s hatred toward robots as he is more concerned that the crowd may find out that R. Daneel is infact a robot.  This distraction allows R. Daneel to take charge of the situation and display his confidence.  Unfortunately this confidence is only based on a lack of knowledge of the hatred.  The problem is while R. Daneel posses the logic of what should be, the real issues is that people are prodomentally illogical and if they were logical like R. Daneel’s tunnel-vision in assuming that he can instantly change a person’s hatred by stating what people should be doing then they would have been served and already left the store.  R. Daneel sees the angered people that are ready to rip the place apart and allows them in based on his logic.  This is illogical.  He should be able to know the hatred that people have for robots just by seeing it first hand.  People have the ability to adapt to new situations if they choose to do so.  Does R. Daneel have the ability to adapt?  R. Daneel is so set in his plan and belief that the people must be served because there is nothing wrong with it.  This is interesting because it brings up the question of who is programming these robots and what information they are and are not being given.  This goes further as R. Daneel pulls out a gun and turns it on the crowd and orders them not to touch him or Baley as they exit.  Later R. Daneel informs Baley that he never intended to shoot anyone.  R. Daneel is so sure that he wasn’t going to shoot anyone but never took into account any variable interactions from the crowd but only his actions.  There were so many people in that room that could have easily charged him and beat him.  If that happened would he have shot?              

JOURNAL #1:

There are many differences between today’s world/society verses the one that is portrayed in Caves of Steel. In today’s society humans are the ones that create the machines and technology that are being built. We make the technology so that it can make life easier for us. Another thing would be our ways of transportation. In our society we us cars, buses, and trains to get from one place to the other. On the contrary in the novel they used other ways to transport from one place to the other, such as spaceships and lived in domes separating themselves from the “humans and/or spacers. In addition to that they had external differences. As humans we get sick or may have symptoms or signs of being sick and with the proper care we can be cured. The robots didn’t have to deal with being sick because they lived in an atmosphere that was sanitized.

Sasha Bailey