COMD3504 - Section OL02 - Fall 2021

Month: November 2021 (Page 3 of 7)

Assignment 11 Yuki

Heller stated, for the concept to be or not to be of mainstream vs. underground relevant in contemporary design because for the mainstream side: “All it takes is the followers of followers to cut a clear path to the mainstream. In the passage, Heller brings about the idea that contemporary design became relevant due to the fact that marketers constantly sought new ways of expression and depended on modern culture to fulfil that requirement. Some ideas were made by artists originally but were either taken or slightly edited to present the illusion of originality. reason is that i would do general posters and flyers for mainstream and underground. However, i feel like i can’t do that because i can’t think of any examples of mainstream and underground posters. One might say that the original works done by artists were mostly overshadowed by their fake counterparts created by corporate conglomerates with their goal of relevancy being fueled by grabbing the attention of the masses.

  1. “in today century designers use mainstream advertising companies, weaned on alternative approaches, have folded the underground into the mainstream and call it “cool” “. This summarizes exactly what the modern era has done in the past 10 years as the decline of Modernism forced its way into the 21st century pallet. The sort of underground designs that influenced the work could be from the fact that “Ballyhoo took original quotidian ads for the things they made from cars, detergent and foods. The underground mocks the mainstream for choosing a foolish action to become lazy and uninspiring in the modern age. What many people fail to realize is that designs are made to be understood.

2.  the sense of good logos and art has been stripped out entirely and the senses are dulled. Without the original message being shown in a work, there is nothing that can be interpreted but with A large amount of graphic design is straightforward or neutral.

3. One of the ways designers work shaped the mainstream is because of the sixties psychedelic movement As a result, in today society of the 21st century things will only get worse in the future due to the fact of modern art were seen as heroes of graphic design and were praised to the point that they became the mainstream. These roots began to infect what was effective and gradually became ineffective. Heller’s article ties closely to this as he states “Today, designers for mainstream advertising companies, weaned on alternative approaches, have folded the underground into the mainstream.

Assignment 11 – Alex Grenader

Heller’s comparison of contemporary design between the mainstream and the underground comes from the fact that ideas are constantly manipulated or stolen from others. In the passage, Heller brings about the idea that contemporary design became relevant due to the fact that marketers constantly sought new ways of expression and depended on modern culture to fulfil that requirement. Some ideas were made by artists originally but were either taken or slightly edited to present the illusion of originality. One might say that the original works done by artists were mostly overshadowed by their fake counterparts created by corporate conglomerates with their goal of relevancy being fueled by grabbing the attention of the masses. Heller also stated that the mainstream always tried to cater to the current culture of society while the underground opposes it in any way possible and tries to lead a different path that is both straightforward and innovative in concept and execution. The struggle between these two factions often result in a “silent ideological war” between the content and the techniques used for it. In that sense, it is a way to dispute a style or motto officially and unofficially, that can be monitored by the public eye and serves as entertainment.

The designs that I will use in my presentation correlate to Heller’s text due to the fact that the idea of corporate intrusion has begun to slowly decay what was once creative designs into something entirely murky. All the charm of good logos and art has been stripped out entirely and the senses are dulled. Without the original message being shown in a work, there is nothing that can be interpreted. After all ,“Most people do not know where the design came from, but they recognize it and know what it does when they see it. Of course, the best designed message is no use if people don’t see it.” (2) 

The underground designs did not officially come in contact with the designs that come to mind. However, they did spawn as a result to redirect the attention of the masses. It is true that there are only 2 ways the underground seem to handle the mainstream which are to either join it or alter it. Depending on the individual and the ideology being presented, the underground will either conform to it or disengage from it entirely. It is the same concept as joining an organization or rebelling and in that sense, the designs often reflect the problems of the time period. The underground mocks the mainstream for choosing a foolish action to become lazy and uninspiring in the modern age. What many people fail to realize is that designs are made to be understood. Unfortunately. corporations do not think so and firmly believe that graphic design is “the business of making or choosing marks and arranging them on the surface to create an idea.” (1)

The products of modern design did come from the stem of Modernism and Postmodernism designers who often broke apart good design and stressed chaos and unrest. As a result, they were seen as heroes of graphic design and were praised to the point that they became the mainstream. These roots began to infect what was effective and gradually became ineffective. Heller’s article ties closely to this as he states “Today, designers for mainstream advertising companies, weaned on alternative approaches, have folded the underground into the mainstream and call it “cool” “. This summarizes exactly what the modern era has done in the past 10 years as the decline of Modernism forced its way into the 21st century pallet. It will only get worse in the future due to the fact of modern art “Having failed to gain legitimacy by sucking up to business and adopting to politics, maybe it is time for design to make a challenge” (3). Thus, all good design will be washed away by the business men and the politicians gathering the wrong ideas from the wrong people and creating a new era of design despair.


The Sources I have used.

1). Barnard, Malcolm. Graphic Design As Communication, Taylor & Francis Group, 2005. ProQuest Ebook Central, https://ebookcentral.proquest.com/lib/citytech-ebooks/detail.action?docID=1273176.

2). Reynolds, Donna. Graphic Design : Putting Art and Words Together, Greenhaven Publishing LLC, 2017. ProQuest Ebook Central, https://ebookcentral.proquest.com/lib/citytech-ebooks/detail.action?docID=5413273.
3). Fitzgerald, Kenneth, and Rudy VanderLans. Volume : Writings on Graphic Design, Music, Art, and Culture, Princeton Architectural Press, 2010. ProQuest Ebook Central, https://ebookcentral.proquest.com/lib/citytech-ebooks/detail.action?docID=3387332.

Joseph Asimeng-Assignment 11

According to Heller, for the concept to be or not to be of mainstream vs. underground relevant in contemporary design because for the mainstream side: “All it takes is the followers of followers to cut a clear path to the mainstream. Indeed the mainstream embraces almost anything “edgy,” although once the label is applied it is no longer on the edge.” “Very little emerging from the underground fails to turn up in the mainstream.” On the underground side: “the underground satirically appropriated from the mainstream.” “Underground denizens attack the mainstream for two reasons: To alter or to join, sometimes both.” The designs or the designer that i’ll be addressing for my final presentation will fit into this dichotomy because i can talk about that in the form of hip hop mixtape covers. The reason is because to me, that’s what the words mainstream and underground remind me of, for seeing those words, in this question. Also another reason is that i would do general posters and flyers for mainstream and underground. However, i feel like i can’t do that because i can’t think of any examples of mainstream and underground posters. I searched it up online but i don’t think i got any accurate results, in my opinion. I COULD still present some hip hop album cover art examples, to my final presentation.

The sort of underground designs that influenced the work could be from the fact that “Ballyhoo took original quotidian ads for the things they made from cars, , detergent and foods, and wittily altered the brand-names to kinda sorta eventually make stuff like: “Look Ma, no cavities, and No Teeth Either,” a send-up of Crest Toothpaste’s false promise of cavity-free teeth, and “Happy But Wiser,” a slam at Budweiser beer through a parody ad that showed a besotted, forlorn alcoholic whose wife had just dumped him.” That explanation is one example. To back up my claim: “Ballyhoo in the first half of the twentieth century, and MAD magazine and wacky packs in the second. The Simpsons offers “gesture[s] of culture jamming in a context where we generally wouldn’t expect [them],” Fink observes.”[1]

One of the ways that his work shaped the mainstream is because he said that: “Take the sixties psychedelic movement, for example: It was born in a small
community that shared proclivities for sex, drugs, and anarchic behavior—
all threatening to the mainstream”. Maybe he didn’t want his work to resemble that or look that way.

Maybe it will probably do so in the future because he said that: “By focusing concurrently on popular design ephemera and groundbreaking new works, both editor and publisher were ahead of their time in forgoing any distinction between the products of high and low culture.[2]” (that i guess). A large amount of graphic design is straightforward or neutral—“The facts and nothing but the facts.”[3] So from those facts, and if he focuses on them, then that’s how he can continue to make good artwork, in any form or medium.

My 3-4 sources below:

Culture Jamming : Activism and the Art of Cultural Resistance, edited by Marilyn DeLaure, and Moritz Fink, New York University Press, 2017. ProQuest Ebook Central, http://ebookcentral.proquest.com/lib/citytech-ebooks/detail.action?docID=4500691.
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Heller, Steven. Writing and Research for Graphic Designers : A Designer’s Manual to Strategic Communication and Presentation, Quarto Publishing Group USA, 2013. ProQuest Ebook Central, http://ebookcentral.proquest.com/lib/citytech-ebooks/detail.action?docID=3399604.
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Heller, Steven, and Mirko Ilic. Stop, Think, Go, Do : How Typography and Graphic Design Influence Behavior, Quarto Publishing Group USA, 2012. ProQuest Ebook Central, http://ebookcentral.proquest.com/lib/citytech-ebooks/detail.action?docID=3399581.
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Assignment 11 for November 23

Our next reading will be a short essay by Steven Heller, from 2008, entitled The Underground Mainstream. Here is a PDF: 

Note that our response to this text includes a minor, but important, variation from our usual format: you must include 3-4 sources accessed through library databases. (Jstor and Ebsco ebooks are both great but you should explore a few.)

Here is your prompt:
How, according to Heller, is the concept of mainstream vs. underground relevant in contemporary design? Where do the designs or the designer that you’ll be addressing for your final presentation fit into this dichotomy? What sort of underground designs influenced the work in question? In what ways has the work in question shaped the mainstream? Or how will it do so in the future? Provide full citation information for at least 3-4 sources from the library to support your response.

Part of the goal for this assignment is to make some progress on your final. We’ll check in on that progress in class on the 23rd.

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