Professor Joshua Belknap | Co Req ML | Fall 2023

11/13/23: Murray, “The Maker’s Eye” Questions

  1. How does Murray define information and meaning (13-14)? Why is the distinction between the two terms important?
  2. According to Murray, at what point(s) in the writing process do writers become concerned about the individual words they are using? What do you think Murray means when he says in paragraph 24 that “language leads [writers] to meaning?”
  3. The phrase “the maker’s eye” appears in Murray’s title and in several places throughout the essay. What do you suppose he means by this? Consider how the maker’s eye could be different from the reader’s eye?
  4. According to Murray, when is a piece of writing finished? What, for him, is the function of deadlines?

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  1. Rojina

    1.Murray discusses that writers need to learn to become the hardest critic. A good piece of writing must go through many steps from the writer’s point of view. First, the writer must find information , then meaning to his work. He must be aware of the audience he is trying to relate with and use good form and structure.                                                               2.Writers become more concerned with the words they have used as they get closer to finalization. This is when they start to read it over and over and even out loud. I think what Murray means is that the language you use is going to help the reader understand the meaning. However I do not think the writer can specifically pinpoint what the reader will see as the meaning. Murray can write one thing meaning something specific, however the reader’s interpretation could be something completely different.                                                                             3.I think what Murray is referring to is the writer’s ability to criticize and proofread his work for the ultimate goal of making it better. The writer can look at his work and think it is garbage all the time, however he needs to know when to stop revising/editing because it is as good as it gets. The reader, however, only sees the final version. They do not see the mess that is the creative process. Writers are more critical of their writing than most readers will ever be.                                                                                   4. He says that writing is never finished in the writer’s eye, it can always be modified and rearranged. Murray discusses that writers need to learn to become the hardest critic. He says that this skill is very difficult for most people to learn. Also, The final stage in writing a paper requires a review of what you have written.

  2. Jguarango21

    Murray probably addresses the concept that a writer must successfully transmit information while also creating meaning and importance for the reader, even if he may not define “information” and “meaning”. Making this point between meaning and information is important because writing is more than just getting the point over; the writer also has to think about how to deliver the information and what it means to the reader.

    He advises authors to put more emphasis on putting their thoughts down on paper in the early stages of writing rather than worrying about the exact wording. Writers focus closely on language during the rewrite stage, choosing and enhancing words to improve impact, coherence, and clarity. He is conveying the concept that language use, word choice, and expression are not just technical aspects of writing. Rather, it’s a dynamic process in which the writer interacts with the material to develop their own comprehension and meaning.

    • Jguarango21

      The writer’s deep understanding of their own goals, ideas, and creative process sets the maker’s eye apart from the reader’s. The author, who also created the piece, has a special understanding of its complexities, motivations, and significances. He accepts that deadlines are important for keeping track of time, but he also emphasizes that it’s a writer’s gut feeling that should guide them through the last stages of writing. He mentions that a deadline mixes a authors thoughts.

  3. Fernando Fernandez

    1.How does Murray define information and meaning (13-14)? Why is the distinction between the two terms important?

    All the information given needs clarification to help the reader understand.

    2. According to Murray, at what point(s) in the writing process do writers become concerned about the individual words they are using? What do you think Murray means when he says in paragraph 24 that “language leads [writers] to meaning?”

    When they re-read and re-write.

    3. The phrase “the maker’s eye” appears in Murray’s title and in several places throughout the essay. What do you suppose he means by this? Consider how the maker’s eye could be different from the reader’s eye?

    It could be different if you just write without putting yourself in the reader’s eye. Because everything can be confusing.

    4. According to Murray, when is a piece of writing finished? What, for him, is the function of deadlines?

    Is never finished.

    For me a piece of writing is finished a few days or week after you finish it. Because when you re read it in a different day you re write it better.

  4. Jimin Yoon

    1. How does Murray define information and meaning (13-14)? Why is the distinction between the two terms important?

    The first one states that is important to look for information in their first draft accurate, specific, and interesting for the audience. The second one states they look for the meaning of the draft. Why this?

    2. According to Murray, at what point(s) in the writing process do writers become concerned about the individual words they are using? What do you think Murray means when he says in paragraph 24 that “language leads [writers] to meaning?”

    He states writing and knowing something is right specifically writers tend to feel satisfied, and leads to joy when writing.

    3. The phrase “the maker’s eye” appears in Murray’s title and in several places throughout the essay. What do you suppose he means by this? Consider how the maker’s eye could be different from the reader’s eye?

    Makers’ eyes tend to process everything to make the story or something they are writing perfectly. However, in their eyes, they won’t be satisfied with their writing, but from the reader’s perspective they like it and enjoy it. So, the writer could be satisfied and happy at the same time.

    4. According to Murray, when is a piece of writing finished? What, for him, is the function of deadlines?

    He has various feelings when he’s done writing he feels satisfied, shamed, pride, and frustration after writing, and finishing it.

  5. marylin

    1) How does Murray define information and meaning (13-14)? Why is the distinction between the two terms important?

      Murray defines information and meaning as an essential part of a writing piece that involves, relevant and accurate information that forms a significance regarding the writer’s piece. When it comes to the distinction between both terms it has it’s differences, information is the key of bringing out reliable and accurate source piece as mentioned “ an abundance of information from which to contrast a readable piece”. Moreover, meaning brings the importance that reveals the specific purpose and significance of the writing.

    2) According to Murray, at what point(s) in the writing process do writers become concerned about the individual words they are using? What do you think Murray means when he says in paragraph 24 that “language leads [writers] to meaning?”

     During the writer’s “writing process” it’s believed that most writer’s are aware how certain words being included can make a difference or change based on the context they’re trying to deliver. What Murray means by “language leads them to meaning” refers to how at some point anything could represented it’s meaning. 

    3) The phrase “the maker’s eye” appears in Murray’s title and in several places throughout the essay. What do you suppose he means by this? Consider how the maker’s eye could be different from the reader’s eye?    

     “the maker’s eye” as mentioned throughout the essay could mean from a perspective from the writer. Only “the maker’s eye” is one able to understand the key points being written. From a reader’s eye they wouldn’t focus much on specific ways it’s written professionally compared to a maker’s eye. 

    4) According to Murray, when is a piece of writing finished? What, for him, is the function of deadlines?

      When piece of writing is completed, later on still have the idea of re-writing despite the writing been rewritten multiple times as mentioned “the makers eye is never satisfied”. 

  6. Daria

    Donald M. Murray delves into the nuances of writing by differentiating between ‘information’ and ‘meaning’. According to him, information consists of the specific details that form the basis of a readable piece of writing. Meaning, in contrast, emerges when writers sift through this information to find a deeper significance that resonates with readers. This distinction matters because information alone doesn’t make a narrative compelling—it’s the meaning that gives writing its depth and value.

    Murray suggests that writers start to focus on the individual words during revision when they critically evaluate their writing’s clarity and impact. His idea that “language leads [writers] to meaning” implies that the active process of working with language—choosing and scrutinizing words—helps writers uncover the true essence of what they’re trying to convey.

    “The maker’s eye” represents the writer’s critical view of their own work. It’s the self-reflective and scrutinizing gaze that continuously seeks to refine and improve the text, contrasting with “the reader’s eye,” which is more about receiving and interpreting the final work.

    Murray believes that a piece of writing is never actually finished; it’s a living document, always open to refinement. Deadlines, however, serve as a practical cap to the otherwise endless possibility of revision. They force writers to conclude their editing process and submit their work, providing a necessary endpoint to the cycle of continuous improvement.

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